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We pretrained a 325M language model from zero on an inference-only NPU The accepted view is that inference-only NPUs cannot train, let alone pretrain a language model from scratch. We put that view to a direct test on the Rebellions ATOM-Max, a commercially available Korean NPU released in 2025 and designed for inference. We built our own training loop that runs backpropagation on the chip itself. Starting from random initialization, we pretrained VKORE-325M-NPU-Base, a 325.6M parameter model, on 5 billion byte tokens of FineWeb-Edu. The run took 76,292 steps over about four days and finished without a single divergence. No pretrained weights were used. To make the comparison fair, we trained the same model on a B200 GPU with identical initialization, data and learning-rate schedule. On 1,024 windows of text that neither model ever saw, the NPU reached a loss of 0.7993 and the GPU 0.7994. The window-by-window difference is -0.0001, well inside the noise. The two models are indistinguishable. This is seven times larger than our first NPU model, VKORE-46M, and the first time this hardware has carried a real pretraining run to GPU quality. Please note that the hardware alone does not make this possible: the NPU and its standard software are built for inference, and training on it depends on our own training stack and stability technique, which are developed in house and under patent application. Buying the chip does not by itself enable training. Both sets of weights and the evaluation script are public, so anyone can verify the result in minutes. 📄 Technical report: https://huggingface.co/blog/FINAL-Bench/pretraining-a-325m-language-model-from-zero-on-an 🤗 Models: https://huggingface.co/FINAL-Bench/VKORE-325M-NPU-Base #NPU #Rebellions #Pretraining #VKORE

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Terrific scaling milestone, congratulations on taking this from 46M to 325M! Having both the NPU checkpoint and the exact B200 GPU reference weights (b200_reference/) hosted together with evaluate_unseen.py makes this an exemplary systems study.

The paired window loss delta on unseen FineWeb-Edu text (-0.0001 with SE 0.0007 across 1,024 windows, winning on 50.1% of windows) is compelling evidence that numerical error did not accumulate or drift over 76k steps of backpropagation.

Did your custom training stack require any special handling for master weight precision or gradient accumulation/reduction across the 32 NPU chips compared to standard BF16/FP32 mixed precision on the B200? Looking forward to the technical paper!

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We pretrained a 325M language model from zero on an inference-only NPU

The accepted view is that inference-only NPUs cannot train, let alone pretrain a language model from scratch. We put that view to a direct test on the Rebellions ATOM-Max, a commercially available Korean NPU released in 2025 and designed for inference. We built our own training loop that runs backpropagation on the chip itself. Starting from random initialization, we pretrained VKORE-325M-NPU-Base, a 325.6M parameter model, on 5 billion byte tokens of FineWeb-Edu. The run took 76,292 steps over about four days and finished without a single divergence. No pretrained weights were used.

To make the comparison fair, we trained the same model on a B200 GPU with identical initialization, data and learning-rate schedule. On 1,024 windows of text that neither model ever saw, the NPU reached a loss of 0.7993 and the GPU 0.7994. The window-by-window difference is -0.0001, well inside the noise. The two models are indistinguishable.

This is seven times larger than our first NPU model, VKORE-46M, and the first time this hardware has carried a real pretraining run to GPU quality. Please note that the hardware alone does not make this possible: the NPU and its standard software are built for inference, and training on it depends on our own training stack and stability technique, which are developed in house and under patent application. Buying the chip does not by itself enable training. Both sets of weights and the evaluation script are public, so anyone can verify the result in minutes.

📄 Technical report: https://huggingface.co/blog/FINAL-Bench/pretraining-a-325m-language-model-from-zero-on-an
🤗 Models: FINAL-Bench/VKORE-325M-NPU-Base

#NPU #Rebellions #Pretraining #VKORE

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@dipankarsarkar That 5.8% D rate vs 46.7% A is a classic signature of uncalibrated letter/positional bias in sub-100M models.

In models under ~100M parameters, two separate effects usually drive this:

Unconditioned token prior: Single-token completions (e.g. A vs D) often carry significant baseline logit offsets from pretraining corpus frequency. Subtracting unconditional prefix logits (e.g., log P(choice | prompt) - log P(choice | 'Answer:')) often flattens the letter distribution.
Enumeration primacy: Because Option A appears first in the prompt list, compact attention stacks often exhibit strong primacy bias towards the first presented candidate. A clean diagnostic is cyclic option permutation (rotating choices A->B->C->D->A): if performance stays constant while the model's choices track the rotated true answer rather than the 'A' slot, it isolates the format prior from domain comprehension.

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You know, I can't believe we are actually doing it, literally advancing the frontier at the edge! We've come a long way since the first models on open slm leaderboard, and, as many things that change, performance is one of the main things that has exploded.

7 years ago, the best we had was GPT-2. Today, we got 90m models beating smollm2! I can't barely see what a future with increasingly powerful small models will look like.

All I can say is that the best is yet to come. And will be agentic.

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MK-SH-V: A 260M Visual Decision Model

I've released MK-SH-V, an open-source visual decision model built on H Company's NeoMME-260M.

Instead of generating text, it scores candidate answers from screenshots and documents, returning probabilities, a decision or an abstention.

Key results:

82.6% GUI accuracy, compared with 73.1% for a 4B zero-shot VLM.
+29.4 percentage points in real-image accuracy after incorporating real training data.
86% coverage* with a 95% selective-risk upper bound below 5% on held-out synthetic data.

The limitations are documented too. Receipt accuracy remains weak, and calibrated abstention does not yet generalize reliably to real images.

The entire experimental process, code and benchmarks are available under Apache 2.0.

Model: Gjusev/MK-SH-V

GitHub: https://github.com/Gjusev/mk-sh-v

Feedback and contributions are welcome!

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Last week we released Gargi, a 384M English language model trained from scratch on about 17B tokens, roughly 1,000× less training data than Qwen2.5-0.5B (~18T tokens, as published by its authors).

What we measured (same harness for every model: lm-evaluation-harness, 0-shot, greedy, each model's start token):
- Base model vs Qwen2.5-0.5B: ARC-Easy 62.8 vs 64.7, ARC-Challenge 32.3 vs 32.4, WinoGrande 54.6 vs 56.1.
- Chat model: thinking on or off; GSM8K 36.0 with thinking on.
- Long inputs: needle-in-a-haystack recall 100% at 8K, 93% at 16K and 90% at 20K tokens, so use it up to about 16K.

Where it falls short: knowledge and everyday common sense still scale with data. MMLU is 25.5 vs 47.3, and it trails on HellaSwag and PIQA. It is not a maths specialist, and it is not safety-tuned: put a moderation layer in front of any public use.

It runs on a laptop: GGUF (Q8_0 at 410 MB, Q4_K_M, f16) and MLX builds.
ollama run hf.co/udgamlabs/Gargi-GGUF:Q8_0

Apache-2.0 ·
weights: udgamlabs/Gargi
try it: https://udgamlabs.com/models/gargi
code: https://github.com/udgamlabs/gargi

Named after Gargi Vachaknavi, the Vedic philosopher remembered for asking the hardest questions.

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Laghu: a 152M chat model trained from scratch for $146 of pretraining compute, released fully open. It thinks before it answers (on/off), holds multi-turn conversations and chats, in 163 MB that runs in your browser.

- Base model, new text (Sep-Oct 2026): 0.919 bits per byte vs SmolLM2-135M 0.941 and Falcon-H1-Tiny-90M-Base 0.979
- Chat: level with SmolLM2-135M-Instruct on chat quality and multi-turn, ahead on maths with thinking; behind Falcon-H1-Tiny-90M-Instruct on all three
- Thinking on/off, 16K context; runs in the browser, Ollama (ollama run hf.co/udgamlabs/Laghu-GGUF:Q8_0), LM Studio, llama.cpp, MLX and transformers
- Every surviving checkpoint with optimiser states, code, recipe, per-item evals, failures and cost

How we made it: https://huggingface.co/blog/udgamlabs/laghu
Collection: udgamlabs/laghu-6ad91b153ba8cdc4e40900bd
Space: udgamlabs/Laghu

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GGUF models from xllama's catalogue, my independent research project for local LLM inference on an Xbox Series S. Each note gives the measured figures or test status, with model, quant and setup. For example, LFM2.5-350M (QAD Q4_0, Dev Mode, llama.cpp CPU) decodes at 101.6 tok/s. Source for every number: xllama's model matrix. Not affiliated with Microsoft.
gianlucamazza/xllama-models-measured-on-xbox-series-s-6aca0b32275cbe99dbf02d89

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🚀 Introducing Kiyo-230M-Instruct — my compact English & Portuguese chat model!

Built on Kiyo-230M-Preview, a base model I pretrained from scratch, Kiyo now has an instruction-tuned release for everyday conversations, rewriting, and lightweight assistant experiments.

🧠 229.7M parameters
🌍 English + Portuguese
💬 Native chat template for multi-turn conversations
📏 2,048-token context window
📦 459 MB of BF16 safetensors weights
🔓 Apache-2.0 license

For instruction tuning, I used 165,735 conversations from SmolTalk2, smol-smoltalk, UltraChat, and Dolci-Instruct-SFT. Training ran for two complete epochs with assistant-only loss, using a roughly 70% English / 30% Portuguese token mix.

The updated model card includes benchmarks against SmolLM2-135M-Instruct, BananaMind, and Supra2, plus example conversations, CPU measurements, training details, and a Transformers quickstart.

The results are mixed: Kiyo is competitive with these small models across the reported evaluations, while SmolLM2 and BananaMind score higher on the instruction-following benchmarks. Portuguese was a highlight in the small conversational sanity test.

This is an experimental 230M model, with plenty of room to improve reasoning, factual accuracy, and strict instruction following. I’m excited to share it with people exploring how much we can get from small, accessible models!

🤗 Model & full README:
DedeProGames/Kiyo-230M-Instruct

💬 Try the chat demo:
DedeProGames/kiyo-230m-chat

Try it in English or Portuguese — I’d love to see your examples, feedback, and experiments!

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reacted to Banaxi-Tech's post with 🚀👍 11 days ago

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We're announcing KV1. Now.

We're going to take some models, do a bit of continued training on them and QAT them for only a 2 bit KV cache.
And because of what happened with BGA, and this is also kind of some research stuff, here's what we're going to change:
We're going to always, before we release how and make any claims, release our results.
We also would like (idk if we can) to have some external reviewers before releasing them, I'M talking to YOU @AtAndDev and @mithulaartigala
And we're going to properly cite other research.

The models we are going to release is:
KV1 1.2B, based on LFM 2.5 1.2B Instruct
KV1 2.6B, based on LFM 2.5 2.6B Instruct
KV1 4B, based on Qwen3.5 4B.

If we get enough compute, we may also train:
KV1 9B

And if you guys want to a ~27B model, you guys decide which, either on LFM 2.5 24B A2B, Qwen3.8 27B, or Qwen3.6 35B A3B.

Our goal is to get 2 bit, at 4 bit quality.

Here's an image of our current progress, KV1 is at 3 bit, not 4 bit, but it will improve!

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🚀 We pretrained a language model from scratch on an inference-only NPU, with real backpropagation.

🤗 Model: FINAL-Bench/VKORE-46M-NPU 📝 Technical write-up: https://huggingface.co/blog/FINAL-Bench/backpropagation-on-an-inference-only-npu-pretraini

"NPUs are inference-only, you can't train on them." We built a counterexample: VKORE-46M-NPU, trained from scratch on a first-gen (2025) inference NPU, 32 chips, no pretrained weights. A 46M decoder-only model (RoPE · SwiGLU · RMSNorm · GQA), char-level, TinyStories.

📏 Why trust it: a falling-loss curve proves nothing. So we trained the same model under identical init, data, and schedule on the NPU and on a GPU reference. · Loss trajectories correlate at 0.99 · Throughput converged to a comparable level The NPU backward pass and optimizer updates do numerically the same work as the GPU, not an approximation that merely trends down.

🧩 One accelerator now covers pretraining · LoRA · inference · quantization. We call this layer VKORE: "CUDA for NPUs."

⚖️ Public: weights, model card, NPU-vs-GPU comparison. Private (patent-pending, paper to follow): the core training technique. 46M char-level is toy scale on purpose: it proves the training path, not model quality. Larger models and real data are next.

Feedback from folks working on custom autograd backends and low-precision training kernels on non-GPU accelerators is very welcome. 🙌

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KV1 updates:

We at

klein-ml have finished stage 1 of KV1 1.2B, we don't think we will need additional stages.

KV1 2.6B is near the midpoint of training, going well so far, its going to be our most agentic model yet.

We have released Klein Code Bench klein-ml/klein-code-bench, a benchmark testing whether models can build complete projects from scratch. It contains a easy, intermediate, hard and max subset.

Here are some benchmarks of the current KV1 1.2B

It retains 75.8% of FP16 intelligence.

We are also announcing that we at

klein-ml are working on Klein 24B A2B which will be our first model featuring ternary weight quantization.

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replied to Banaxi-Tech's post 11 days ago

Congrats on wrapping KV1 1.2B stage 1—and the Klein Code Bench release. A reproducible split by difficulty plus model/quantization settings would make the 75.8% FP16-retention figure especially useful; OxCoder and GRM sound like fun stress tests too.

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Meet Supra2.5-Ultra-Preview-001. 230M parameters, ~40.4B training tokens.

SupraLabs has released the first preview of its Supra2.5-Ultra family: a compact, Llama-style base model for text completion and small-model experimentation.

What's inside?
• 230M parameters
• 32 transformer layers
• 2,048-token context window
• Grouped Query Attention: 12 attention heads, 4 KV heads
• 49,152-token vocabulary
• SwiGLU activation, RoPE and tied embeddings
• BF16 weights and Hugging Face Transformers support
• Apache 2.0 license

Training
The model was trained on approximately 40.4B tokens from FineWeb-Edu, DCLM-Baseline and FineMath using a single A100 SXM.

Reported zero-shot results
• HellaSwag: 37.18% normalized accuracy
• PIQA: 65.78% accuracy
• ARC-Easy: 57.11% accuracy
• ARC-Challenge: 26.28% normalized accuracy

Want to experiment?
Code on REPO.

Model, weights and usage example:
SupraLabs/Supra2.5-Ultra-Preview-001

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tl;dr: new qwen finetune that simultaneously pushes the frontiers of small model capability and reasoning efficiency.

Hey everyone,

We are Sabi (https://sabi.com), a neuro-AI startup building a BCI + AI wearable that can do agentic actions using just your neural intents.

We publish two post-trained versions of Qwen 3.8 27B called Sabi-Noema and Sabi-Noema-MLA. These models push the capability frontier on <30B models with 2x reduction in verbosity, and are exclusively trained on open source environments.

These models have improved capabilities on coding, agentic and tool calling tasks, as well as hallucinating lesser. Sabi-Noema beats GPT 6 Luna-medium on DeepSWE, placing in between Luna 6 medium and high. It beats Luna-high on agentic and tool calling benchmarks like TB2.1, Tau-3 bench, ClawEval, and BFCL v4. Its hallucination rate is considerably lower than Luna, Qwen and other competing models.

These models are much more reasoning efficient. Sabi-Noema generates 50% fewer tokens per response on TB2.1 and 25% fewer tokens on DeepSWE, compared to base Qwen. Sabi-Noema-MLA goes even further by doing a post-hoc MLA conversion of Qwen's GQA attention. This conversion uses only a calibration dataset and no extra training. With BF16 latents Sabi-Noema-MLA needs 3.6x lower bytes per token. The MLA latents can be further compressed to FP8 with the total KV cache size on TB2.1 to 8.4x smaller with similar performance. To put this in perspective, when using Sabi-Noema-MLA at q4_0, on a 24GB GPU like 3090/4090 you can get a context size of ~534K where base Qwen at FP8 cache would only get to ~150K context.

We are excited to have the open source community play around with these models. We will be releasing more post-trains in the future focused on making <30B models more powerful.

HuggingFace:
Sabi-Noema: sabicap/sabi-noema
Sabi-Noema-MLA: sabicap/sabi-noema-mla

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replied to DedeProGames's post 12 days ago

Nice compact release—230M with GQA and a 2,048-token context is a useful size point. I verified the model repo is public and tagged with the three stated dataset sources; for reproducibility, it would be especially helpful to include the exact evaluation harness/version and whether the reported 40.4B is consumed or deduplicated token count.

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🚀 Introducing OpenWork — Deploy agents everywhere.

OpenWork is an open-source AI agent workspace built on top of OpenCode.

Deploy autonomous agents, schedule tasks, manage projects, and let AI work for you — directly from your terminal.

Features:

- 🤖 Deploy autonomous AI agents
- 📅 Schedule recurring tasks
- 🧠 Persistent memory and workspaces
- 🔌 MCP integrations and custom tools
- 📥 Agent Inbox and task management
-⚡ Support for local and cloud AI models
- 🖥️ Interactive terminal interface (TUI)

Your agents. Your models. Your workflow.

Fully open-source. MIT licensed.

⭐ GitHub: https://github.com/dedeprogames-official/openwork

#OpenSource #AI #AIAgents #OpenWork #OpenCode

replied to Banaxi-Tech's post 12 days ago

@imaadd05 You’ve already shipped work people are excited about, and it’s fair to take a break or narrow your focus rather than decide everything from one rough moment. If you do continue, maybe pick one model and spend the time on a clear task-specific eval and a smaller, well-documented release; that gives you a useful signal and builders something concrete to improve.

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